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		<title>By: Comrade Kevin</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2045</link>
		<author>Comrade Kevin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Quakers ARE Evangelical.  Some are very Conservative, in fact.  Some ARE allowed to proselytize.  

Unprogrammed Friends (of which I am one) and Congregational Friends, the most liberal Quakers, often are not unable to convert, but are uncomfortable and reluctant to do so.  I daresay this might sound rather familiar to a UU audience.    

As small as UUism is, Quakers are even smaller.  This is partially due to the fact that for around 100 years we decided we were so misunderstood and so persecuted that we simply didn't allow converts at all.  Then at the beginning of the 20th century, we eased up, but by that point, the damage was done.  We are still reaping the consequences of the Quiet Period.  

And rest assured, we have just as hard a time as UUs as nailing down some standard of uniformity.  The Peace Testimony, which once was no less than a commandment in Quaker Theology is not observed nearly as strictly as it once was.  Though most of us are pacifistic, some of us have served in wars in non-combat roles:  clerks, nurses, and tasks given to conscientious objectors in times of war.  

Refusing to swear oaths goes way back to the beginning, when George Fox founded the faith in the 1600s.  Swearing an oath was seen as being indicative of abiding by true fairness and truthfulness, for which swearing was unnecessary and indicative of pride.   We recognize the truth of Jesus’s teaching (Matthew 5:34-37) that swearing is often a way to avoid telling the truth while appearing to do so.  Quaker, by the way, is actually a pejorative term reclaimed as a symbol of pride.  It was an insult leveled by a British judge, that we would all Quake and tremble at the presence of the Lord in some sort of mad fit of misguided zeal.

As for why we do not have many African-American members, despite a historical and early support for Abolition, well, I think you could well ask the same question of Unitarians and Universalists both and get more or less the same response.  Though we have encouraged the membership of African-Americans, particularly after 1800, we are a historically white denomination with a few notable African-Americans whose significant accomplishments are mostly the stuff of footnotes and esoteria.   

Encouraging people of color to join is not as simple as opening the doors and opening the hearts.  Nor is it as easy as pointing to accomplishments.  The meeting I attend have ten regular attenders, one of which is a African-American female.  

I think we all feel more comfortable around people whose skin color most closely resembles ours, particularly in a Congregation setting.

As for why we don't have AA meetings, that's a good question, and one I will look into.  My knee-jerk response is that probably some meetings do and some don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Quakers ARE Evangelical.  Some are very Conservative, in fact.  Some ARE allowed to proselytize.  </p>
<p>Unprogrammed Friends (of which I am one) and Congregational Friends, the most liberal Quakers, often are not unable to convert, but are uncomfortable and reluctant to do so.  I daresay this might sound rather familiar to a UU audience.    </p>
<p>As small as UUism is, Quakers are even smaller.  This is partially due to the fact that for around 100 years we decided we were so misunderstood and so persecuted that we simply didn&#8217;t allow converts at all.  Then at the beginning of the 20th century, we eased up, but by that point, the damage was done.  We are still reaping the consequences of the Quiet Period.  </p>
<p>And rest assured, we have just as hard a time as UUs as nailing down some standard of uniformity.  The Peace Testimony, which once was no less than a commandment in Quaker Theology is not observed nearly as strictly as it once was.  Though most of us are pacifistic, some of us have served in wars in non-combat roles:  clerks, nurses, and tasks given to conscientious objectors in times of war.  </p>
<p>Refusing to swear oaths goes way back to the beginning, when George Fox founded the faith in the 1600s.  Swearing an oath was seen as being indicative of abiding by true fairness and truthfulness, for which swearing was unnecessary and indicative of pride.   We recognize the truth of Jesus’s teaching (Matthew 5:34-37) that swearing is often a way to avoid telling the truth while appearing to do so.  Quaker, by the way, is actually a pejorative term reclaimed as a symbol of pride.  It was an insult leveled by a British judge, that we would all Quake and tremble at the presence of the Lord in some sort of mad fit of misguided zeal.</p>
<p>As for why we do not have many African-American members, despite a historical and early support for Abolition, well, I think you could well ask the same question of Unitarians and Universalists both and get more or less the same response.  Though we have encouraged the membership of African-Americans, particularly after 1800, we are a historically white denomination with a few notable African-Americans whose significant accomplishments are mostly the stuff of footnotes and esoteria.   </p>
<p>Encouraging people of color to join is not as simple as opening the doors and opening the hearts.  Nor is it as easy as pointing to accomplishments.  The meeting I attend have ten regular attenders, one of which is a African-American female.  </p>
<p>I think we all feel more comfortable around people whose skin color most closely resembles ours, particularly in a Congregation setting.</p>
<p>As for why we don&#8217;t have AA meetings, that&#8217;s a good question, and one I will look into.  My knee-jerk response is that probably some meetings do and some don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2031</link>
		<author>h sofia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, GG. I was wondering about that. My mom had asked a question after seeing a movie about quaker and the abolitionist movement. She wondered why more African Americans hadn't become Quakers, and why Quakers didn't seem to have churches in AA communities given their involvement with abolitionism. I suggested that the Quakers weren't evangelical. I didn't realize they weren't allowed to proselytize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, GG. I was wondering about that. My mom had asked a question after seeing a movie about quaker and the abolitionist movement. She wondered why more African Americans hadn&#8217;t become Quakers, and why Quakers didn&#8217;t seem to have churches in AA communities given their involvement with abolitionism. I suggested that the Quakers weren&#8217;t evangelical. I didn&#8217;t realize they weren&#8217;t allowed to proselytize.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Theologian</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2029</link>
		<author>Ms. Theologian</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it's the CSU system that has the problem? Because the state attorney doesn't....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s the CSU system that has the problem? Because the state attorney doesn&#8217;t&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: GhostGirl</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2026</link>
		<author>GhostGirl</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This post has no title." So very Zen. I couldn't come up with a title at first and then I just forgot. Hmmm...

As far as evangelical religion is concerned, no, they are not evangelical. In fact, quite the opposite. They are not allowed to proselytize. But, they will try to persuade to peace and their other beliefs. Just not their faith. This might be an interesting post to read:

http://earofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007/12/evangelism-vs-proselytizing.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This post has no title.&#8221; So very Zen. I couldn&#8217;t come up with a title at first and then I just forgot. Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as evangelical religion is concerned, no, they are not evangelical. In fact, quite the opposite. They are not allowed to proselytize. But, they will try to persuade to peace and their other beliefs. Just not their faith. This might be an interesting post to read:</p>
<p><a href="http://earofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007/12/evangelism-vs-proselytizing.html" rel="nofollow">http://earofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007/12/evangelism-vs-proselytizing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2022</link>
		<author>h sofia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I wanted to ask someone who is a Quaker (or is familiar with Quakers): are Quakers a non evangelical religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I wanted to ask someone who is a Quaker (or is familiar with Quakers): are Quakers a non evangelical religion?</p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2021</link>
		<author>h sofia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/29/1991/#comment-2021</guid>
		<description>This post has no title.</description>
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