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	<title>Comments on: Why I Don&#8217;t Go to Church</title>
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		<title>By: Marmota Monax</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2272</link>
		<author>Marmota Monax</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whose responsibility is it to make your local UU congregation fulfill you?

Four years ago, I first walked into a UU congregation, 26 and single, and discovered I was literally the only person there between ages 16 and 36. (By the way, it has no folk dancing and no family game night.) After about a year, I decided that someone had to stand up to the crazies, and organize a weeknight service, and be the driving force behind some activities I would enjoy, including more social action. I rolled up my sleeves, volunteered, and got started.

Of course it would have been easier to walk away and just blog about why I was washing my hands of the whole thing. But it has been fulfilling to stay and help my local congregation implement those changes. There are now more than twenty active single 20-and 30-somethings in a congregation where four years ago there was one. And now some of them are now taking over the leadership roles I initially took on, so I can sit back and enjoy the spiritual feast myself. If I had just whined about how somebody should do something, I'd still be waiting. Good luck with your blog and your sense of entitlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whose responsibility is it to make your local UU congregation fulfill you?</p>
<p>Four years ago, I first walked into a UU congregation, 26 and single, and discovered I was literally the only person there between ages 16 and 36. (By the way, it has no folk dancing and no family game night.) After about a year, I decided that someone had to stand up to the crazies, and organize a weeknight service, and be the driving force behind some activities I would enjoy, including more social action. I rolled up my sleeves, volunteered, and got started.</p>
<p>Of course it would have been easier to walk away and just blog about why I was washing my hands of the whole thing. But it has been fulfilling to stay and help my local congregation implement those changes. There are now more than twenty active single 20-and 30-somethings in a congregation where four years ago there was one. And now some of them are now taking over the leadership roles I initially took on, so I can sit back and enjoy the spiritual feast myself. If I had just whined about how somebody should do something, I&#8217;d still be waiting. Good luck with your blog and your sense of entitlement.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2197</link>
		<author>Amy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2197</guid>
		<description>I think you sum up really well the issues so many people have regarding the church, and, more specifically, "Christian" church.  I was raised in a very traditional church with some wonderful hearted folks, but also a lot of hypocrites as well (as I heard someone say once "just because you call yourself a hamburger doesn't make you one!").  When I got to college, I explored a lot of different paths and had a bad taste put in my mouth by a church that was very unhealthy.  It took me 4 years to even enter into a church community again.

I can sincerely say that it was only by the grace of God and his love and healing that I'm able to be part of a really great Christian community of faith today (with its faults, of course, with humans involved nothing is perfect, but that's part of the way God grows us and helps us understand His forgiveness-by forgiving one another and maturing together in Him).  

I really do understand where you are and respect that, and I believe there are seasons of life-it's a journey-and God's constant heart is for all of us to draw near to him.  As a kid, I'd experienced the truth of Jesus and the message of salvation by his loving sacrifice, but mostly religion and the archaic structures and social clubs you and many of the commentators mention.  However, as a young adult, God really gripped my heart, and once Christ did, I was never the same-I was in love. As a relationship of love, it has its ups and downs like anything else, but by God's very communal nature himself, He draws you into community with other believers for the support needed to continue in Him in this fallen world, and also for the very desires He places for social justice that He calls us to by His nature.  It's sad to me that there truly are lots of wonderful people out there following Jesus, doing the "stuff" (ie feeding the poor, recycling, being good stewards of the earth, volunteering in tutoring programs, shelters, etc) in the name of Christ, interspersed in many different denominations, and yet so many people have had that bad taste in their mouths like I had because of those out there-as you say "crazies"- who might follow in name but not in heart (not that I'm trying to single anyone out-it's for God to judge, but He did say in scripture that there would be weeds growing alongside the crops until the day of harvest...it's always been that way...to give everyone maximum opportunity to know Him).  God suffered and gave everything so we could have this amazing relationship of love and know how precious we are to Him, and I think there are a lot of young churches out there that are totally changing the way they do "church"-they're creating authentic, loving communities-not service and program oriented clubs, whose focus is to reach people with the love of Christ, be agents of change in a hurting world, and minister to each others' needs of all ages and marital statuses...God is still very much at work, no matter how much brokenness exists-He's always been a pro at bringing good out of bad.  

Also, I remember being single and, at a critical point in my faith walk, God just loving on me so much through lots of married couples at the church I went to at the time, along with other singles.  I felt very cared for, and though I'm married w/ kids now, it's important to me to be that for others now and be a part of friends' "extended families".

I hope this is not in any way "preachy"-that's TOTALLY not my intent and apologize if it's come across that way at all.  I more wanted to share what God's done in my life and I've seen in my walk with Him, as I felt it relevant to your insightful posting.

I'm glad that this is a time of growth for you and pray that, especially in this Easter season, you'd experience more and more of that passionate love He has for you and bless you with His presence and direction for the season ahead.  *BTW-a friend of a friend sent me this link bc he thought your posting was really good-in case you're wondering who on earth this person is! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you sum up really well the issues so many people have regarding the church, and, more specifically, &#8220;Christian&#8221; church.  I was raised in a very traditional church with some wonderful hearted folks, but also a lot of hypocrites as well (as I heard someone say once &#8220;just because you call yourself a hamburger doesn&#8217;t make you one!&#8221;).  When I got to college, I explored a lot of different paths and had a bad taste put in my mouth by a church that was very unhealthy.  It took me 4 years to even enter into a church community again.</p>
<p>I can sincerely say that it was only by the grace of God and his love and healing that I&#8217;m able to be part of a really great Christian community of faith today (with its faults, of course, with humans involved nothing is perfect, but that&#8217;s part of the way God grows us and helps us understand His forgiveness-by forgiving one another and maturing together in Him).  </p>
<p>I really do understand where you are and respect that, and I believe there are seasons of life-it&#8217;s a journey-and God&#8217;s constant heart is for all of us to draw near to him.  As a kid, I&#8217;d experienced the truth of Jesus and the message of salvation by his loving sacrifice, but mostly religion and the archaic structures and social clubs you and many of the commentators mention.  However, as a young adult, God really gripped my heart, and once Christ did, I was never the same-I was in love. As a relationship of love, it has its ups and downs like anything else, but by God&#8217;s very communal nature himself, He draws you into community with other believers for the support needed to continue in Him in this fallen world, and also for the very desires He places for social justice that He calls us to by His nature.  It&#8217;s sad to me that there truly are lots of wonderful people out there following Jesus, doing the &#8220;stuff&#8221; (ie feeding the poor, recycling, being good stewards of the earth, volunteering in tutoring programs, shelters, etc) in the name of Christ, interspersed in many different denominations, and yet so many people have had that bad taste in their mouths like I had because of those out there-as you say &#8220;crazies&#8221;- who might follow in name but not in heart (not that I&#8217;m trying to single anyone out-it&#8217;s for God to judge, but He did say in scripture that there would be weeds growing alongside the crops until the day of harvest&#8230;it&#8217;s always been that way&#8230;to give everyone maximum opportunity to know Him).  God suffered and gave everything so we could have this amazing relationship of love and know how precious we are to Him, and I think there are a lot of young churches out there that are totally changing the way they do &#8220;church&#8221;-they&#8217;re creating authentic, loving communities-not service and program oriented clubs, whose focus is to reach people with the love of Christ, be agents of change in a hurting world, and minister to each others&#8217; needs of all ages and marital statuses&#8230;God is still very much at work, no matter how much brokenness exists-He&#8217;s always been a pro at bringing good out of bad.  </p>
<p>Also, I remember being single and, at a critical point in my faith walk, God just loving on me so much through lots of married couples at the church I went to at the time, along with other singles.  I felt very cared for, and though I&#8217;m married w/ kids now, it&#8217;s important to me to be that for others now and be a part of friends&#8217; &#8220;extended families&#8221;.</p>
<p>I hope this is not in any way &#8220;preachy&#8221;-that&#8217;s TOTALLY not my intent and apologize if it&#8217;s come across that way at all.  I more wanted to share what God&#8217;s done in my life and I&#8217;ve seen in my walk with Him, as I felt it relevant to your insightful posting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that this is a time of growth for you and pray that, especially in this Easter season, you&#8217;d experience more and more of that passionate love He has for you and bless you with His presence and direction for the season ahead.  *BTW-a friend of a friend sent me this link bc he thought your posting was really good-in case you&#8217;re wondering who on earth this person is! =)</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2165</link>
		<author>claire</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hallelujah!  these are the reasons i'm working dilligently to bulk up young adult ministry inside and outside of UU churches</description>
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		<title>By: muaythai</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2163</link>
		<author>muaythai</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2163</guid>
		<description>Born&#38;raised UU here, about to take a break from my church too. The congregation is driving me crazy. Too many uptight WASPy know-it-alls, the programming doesn't have much appeal for 30-something people like me and lately all they seem to do is ask for more money. I already tithe and volunteer my time but yeah, it's never enough. Bottom line is there are way too many assumptions about my politics and beliefs, and I get impatient with the whole socially awkward, wishy-washy white liberal vanilla vibe. I'm married to a Latina and for all the "welcoming" stuff the church dishes out, neither of us really feel it in any real sense. I mean yeah they fall all over her because she's brown but it seems a bit phony and weird.

This is definitely not a very UU comment is it, ha ha! Anyway, it's not like I have it all figured out, this is actually a difficult decision to make and I definitely feel like there's gonna be a hole in my life, starting tomorrow morning. But for the last 2 months every Sunday I find myself asking, "why am I even here? Where are the people like me? Is this really my congregation? Do I really belong here?"

The answer seems to be no, for the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born&amp;raised UU here, about to take a break from my church too. The congregation is driving me crazy. Too many uptight WASPy know-it-alls, the programming doesn&#8217;t have much appeal for 30-something people like me and lately all they seem to do is ask for more money. I already tithe and volunteer my time but yeah, it&#8217;s never enough. Bottom line is there are way too many assumptions about my politics and beliefs, and I get impatient with the whole socially awkward, wishy-washy white liberal vanilla vibe. I&#8217;m married to a Latina and for all the &#8220;welcoming&#8221; stuff the church dishes out, neither of us really feel it in any real sense. I mean yeah they fall all over her because she&#8217;s brown but it seems a bit phony and weird.</p>
<p>This is definitely not a very UU comment is it, ha ha! Anyway, it&#8217;s not like I have it all figured out, this is actually a difficult decision to make and I definitely feel like there&#8217;s gonna be a hole in my life, starting tomorrow morning. But for the last 2 months every Sunday I find myself asking, &#8220;why am I even here? Where are the people like me? Is this really my congregation? Do I really belong here?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer seems to be no, for the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2076</link>
		<author>Walter</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2076</guid>
		<description>God, you get it SO right here.
I keep telling people till I'm blue in the face that late Sunday morning is quite possibly the worst imaginable time to have a service.
People tend to go to yoga, the gym or meditation classes after work, weeknights - why not try that out?
And the mania for attracting children and "youth" - in Australia, with one of the most rapidly ageing populations in the world, where the average age is 35! No-one at church seems to have noticed that. Yong people in general just aren't that interested in spiritual life, but most everyone somewhere in their mid 30s starts to get a little twinge of spiritual longing - and there is almost nothing out there to cater to them.Most churches (of all descriptions) have their priorities all wrong, and are dealing with a 1950s kinda social structure that exists only in the realms of myth and good intention.
This is the best thing I've read in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, you get it SO right here.<br />
I keep telling people till I&#8217;m blue in the face that late Sunday morning is quite possibly the worst imaginable time to have a service.<br />
People tend to go to yoga, the gym or meditation classes after work, weeknights - why not try that out?<br />
And the mania for attracting children and &#8220;youth&#8221; - in Australia, with one of the most rapidly ageing populations in the world, where the average age is 35! No-one at church seems to have noticed that. Yong people in general just aren&#8217;t that interested in spiritual life, but most everyone somewhere in their mid 30s starts to get a little twinge of spiritual longing - and there is almost nothing out there to cater to them.Most churches (of all descriptions) have their priorities all wrong, and are dealing with a 1950s kinda social structure that exists only in the realms of myth and good intention.<br />
This is the best thing I&#8217;ve read in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2024</link>
		<author>Jim</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2024</guid>
		<description>"Ask them what they want. I'm guessing it's not folk dancing"

Why pick on folk dancing?  Did you have a traumatic folk dance experience as a child?  Were you frightened by a freilekh?  Did a square dance make you squeamish?

I've attended several UU churches and have not yet been to one that hosts folk dances, but, if one of them did, I hope I wouldn't hold it against them. :)

I can relate to the "what's in it for me?" stuff, but it also frustrates and disappoints me.  Being a part of any community requires a certain amount of inconvenience and discomfort, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ask them what they want. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s not folk dancing&#8221;</p>
<p>Why pick on folk dancing?  Did you have a traumatic folk dance experience as a child?  Were you frightened by a freilekh?  Did a square dance make you squeamish?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve attended several UU churches and have not yet been to one that hosts folk dances, but, if one of them did, I hope I wouldn&#8217;t hold it against them. <img src='http://survivingtheworkday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can relate to the &#8220;what&#8217;s in it for me?&#8221; stuff, but it also frustrates and disappoints me.  Being a part of any community requires a certain amount of inconvenience and discomfort, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck in Harrisburg</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2011</link>
		<author>Chuck in Harrisburg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2011</guid>
		<description>Hmm. 
I appreciate your post, but I would ask you this: If your church had a series of social events in connection with other UU churches in the region that was geared not toward just families, but had families in mind would you go? I'm thinking of annual jamboree's or the like where you could meet other UU singles to just hang with.

I would theorize this, however, about having young families. I would guess that singles and empty nest baby boomer couples would probably spend less on their church than young families. While young families tend to have less discretionary income than singles, they are more likely to want to spend time in church activities with their kids so the children will have access to a moral legacy. Therefore, those families have more invested in the church, which should result in a greater consistant net gain. I'm shooting from the hip here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.<br />
I appreciate your post, but I would ask you this: If your church had a series of social events in connection with other UU churches in the region that was geared not toward just families, but had families in mind would you go? I&#8217;m thinking of annual jamboree&#8217;s or the like where you could meet other UU singles to just hang with.</p>
<p>I would theorize this, however, about having young families. I would guess that singles and empty nest baby boomer couples would probably spend less on their church than young families. While young families tend to have less discretionary income than singles, they are more likely to want to spend time in church activities with their kids so the children will have access to a moral legacy. Therefore, those families have more invested in the church, which should result in a greater consistant net gain. I&#8217;m shooting from the hip here.</p>
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		<title>By: Checking In: Congregations, Cats, Anti-Racism Class, etc. &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2002</link>
		<author>Checking In: Congregations, Cats, Anti-Racism Class, etc. &#171; Elizabeth&#8217;s Little Blog</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-2002</guid>
		<description>[...] and all the ways we could expand our reach and ministry. Ms. Theologian links to the various posts here and also eloquently writes about why she is Unitarian Universalist but does not go to church. But, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and all the ways we could expand our reach and ministry. Ms. Theologian links to the various posts here and also eloquently writes about why she is Unitarian Universalist but does not go to church. But, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Sawyer</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-1994</link>
		<author>Aaron Sawyer</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-1994</guid>
		<description>stand up to the crazies!</description>
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		<title>By: Comrade Kevin</title>
		<link>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-1989</link>
		<author>Comrade Kevin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://survivingtheworkday.com/2008/02/27/why-i-dont-go-to-church/#comment-1989</guid>
		<description>My girlfriend certainly entertains many of the same viewpoints you do.  I attend meeting and she does not.  Despite being raised Jewish and considering herself Jewish from a cultural standpoint, she is firmly against any organized religion just on principles and, as might be familiar to you, she thinks Sunday mornings are for tending garden and practicing yoga.  :-)

The reason I go to church/meeting is quite simple, I believe in a unique 21st century spin on Christian anarchism.  Naturally, I don't throw that term out much because it's highly academic and bound to be a) understood by a very few  b) utterly disregarded  c) misunderstood to mean I am advocating for chaos and disorder, which is the last thing anyone wants from a congregation setting.  

By that I mean that the Kingdom of God is within each of us, a term co-opted by Trotsky, but what I interpret to mean that we are our own salvation and that the motive for going to church or growing a faith are intrinsically similar.  We will lead by example and we ourselves will be our own redemption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girlfriend certainly entertains many of the same viewpoints you do.  I attend meeting and she does not.  Despite being raised Jewish and considering herself Jewish from a cultural standpoint, she is firmly against any organized religion just on principles and, as might be familiar to you, she thinks Sunday mornings are for tending garden and practicing yoga.  <img src='http://survivingtheworkday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The reason I go to church/meeting is quite simple, I believe in a unique 21st century spin on Christian anarchism.  Naturally, I don&#8217;t throw that term out much because it&#8217;s highly academic and bound to be a) understood by a very few  b) utterly disregarded  c) misunderstood to mean I am advocating for chaos and disorder, which is the last thing anyone wants from a congregation setting.  </p>
<p>By that I mean that the Kingdom of God is within each of us, a term co-opted by Trotsky, but what I interpret to mean that we are our own salvation and that the motive for going to church or growing a faith are intrinsically similar.  We will lead by example and we ourselves will be our own redemption.</p>
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